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 Post subject: Re: Anti-Feminists Suck!
PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 11:01 pm 
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A user named TheAmazingAtheist posted this video in November.


And a user named NuclearNight responded to that video


I only found out about that video after TheAmazingAtheist posted a scathing really crude and cruel video..

I don't really approve of the way he went about his video, but nevertheless, he did try to hit on some good points. He was unnecessarily cruel and demeaning.

Anyway, here's my rebuttal to HER video:


And here's what she said about my video, as well as giving the video a 1 star rating:

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Another stupid? asshole who can't figure anything out, how interesting.

If I've ever said anything anti-sex or anti-masturbation be sure to let me know, otherwise keep your projection where it belongs, firmly in your stupid melon.


So I responded like this--

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I see. When someone asks you to clarify, your methodology is to throw out insults. Good job. LOL

Yes you did.

The fact that you'd degrade those who make porn as "masturbation accessories" doesn't exactly show much love on your part.

Now I will post transcripts of your video with serious rebuttals on my forum where you can look at my responses play by play to the direct anti-male things you implied.

rants-and-blogs/anti-feminists-suck-t1552.html


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And here is a transcript of parts of her video, and my responses to them:

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He brought up, for example, in his video, porn. Like “quit trying to take everyone’s porn away”.

First off, you assume that everybody watches pornography or uses it.

Secondly, nobody is trying to take your porn away, nobody’s trying to ban it. The discussions that have been about pornography have been about how it’s harmful.

Do you disagree with those arguments?



Yes. I do. Porn is not harmful and you’ve not brought up anything proving WHY it’s harmful, you’re just stating your opinion that you THINK it’s harmful.

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Perhaps you should argue with them instead of making gross generalizations.


Well, that’s what I was attempting to do in my video, but instead of talking about it, you started throwing insults--IMMEDIATELY. Not the best way to get people to understand your viewpoint.

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As far as pornography if you had actually any idea what you were talking about if you had done any research into the feminist movement in general, like in real life, or even on YouTube where this debate was going on, you would see that the feminist community is pretty split about the pornography issue. A lot of feminists are NOT anti-porn. In face I would say that it’s straight down the middle.


Yes, but the point is that YOU are anti-porn, and there are enough people like you to give the feminist movement a bad name. And if you think it doesn’t give the movement a bad name, you must be living in a different reality than everyone else.

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But as somebody who personally is anti-pornography, I wanna say this, I just wanna get it off my chest, anyone that is pro-pornography, or the people who have been just talking about sex work in such stupid ways, you know, you don’t have the right, this isn’t a right that you have to use other human beings as masturbation accessories.


On the contrary, the people who made the porn have INVITED people to use them as masturbation accessories (I’ll use the slanderous derogatory term you like to call people who make porn), that’s why they made it. Porn isn’t made to look at as some sort of art film, it’s meant to get someone aroused. That’s why people make it.

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Straight up, wake up to your own sense of entitlement.


If I buy something that was designed to make me aroused, yes, I’m entitled to use it in the way it was designed.

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You aren’t entitled to sex. You aren’t entitled to those sorts of things.


I’m entitled to jack of to whatever the hell I want to in the privacy of my own home, especially if what I’m jacking off to was DESIGNED to be jacked off too, you better believe it. This is the biggest point where you go too far. Maybe you should think about the ramifications to your bold and completely incorrect and baseless statements other than your own hatred towards men.

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…and I’m damned sure not going to let you continue this type of stuff.


I thought you said that nobody’s trying to ban pornography. Or is what you just said an empty statement?

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So in this video as well, he referred to feminists, he compared us to KKK members, that was so damned fucked up.


And so was what you said in the previous few sentences. Unbelievably fucked up. Beyond belief.

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As someone who personally counterprotested the KKK, that’s offensive.


Well, maybe you shouldn’t make statements that are as outrageous as the KKK if you’re going to be so against the singleminded and tunnelvision methodology they approach things with.

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But apart from that, we’re activists for social change. Activists for social justice. If you think that women have complete equality in our society, you are blind.


I’ll agree with that. A lot of things need to change. Women still get underpaid in many situations where they’re working the exact same jobs as men. There definitely ARE things that need to change. But attacking porn is not a productive way of doing this. Ranking on men for masturbating to pictures of people they find attractive is NOT the way to do this. If you want to talk about the REAL social injustices, please do, but this bullshit of this anti-everything-it-is-to-be-a-guy thing is really lame.

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I think it’s much easier for men to be blind because of the way men benefit from living in a sexist society.


Possibly—our culture is a male-centric one, and I wish it was more centered between the sexes. Personally I think MEN should be sexualized just as much as women. That, to me, should be the answer to this problem you seem to seem to be pushing forth, but your mind is closed to that and all you can see are the negative aspects to the sexualizing of people.

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The examples are everywhere, it’s in everything.


Well, honestly, you should have given some examples. *I* know what you’re talking about, but many other people may not.

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I don’t see how you can understand reality so dimly.


Honestly, until you further explain yourself instead of throwing out childish insults, that is how I feel about you. TheAmazingAtheist is very cruel sometimes, and I personally think his video was designed to attempt to turn you into a puddle of tears, not exactly the way to go about getting an understanding, that’s for sure.

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People like him saying what he’s saying, it legitimizes a viewpoint that is really negative.


That is exactly the problem with your video as well. You are SO anti-porn that you can’t see the forest through the trees, and it’s absolutely mind-boggling to me.

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I hope that more people realize what he is.


And I hope that YOU get the gumption to actually discuss the things that you talk about or forever get assumed that you really ARE so against men and everything men stand for that you’ve become a very bitter individual hellbent on destroying the happiness of people who wish to take a different approach on life than you do.

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 Post subject: Re: Anti-Feminists Suck!
PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 12:32 am 
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Yes. I do. Porn is not harmful and you’ve not brought up anything proving WHY it’s harmful, you’re just stating your opinion that you THINK it’s harmful.


I don't have time to watch the videos right now, but this statement stuck out to me. I COMPLETELY disagree with the notion that porn is not harmful. I base this solely from personal experience, but there is plenty of backing that supports what I have to say.

Porn is incredibly harmful. If you are in a relationship with someone, and you masturbate to airbrushed fantasy that the other person cannot ever be, you are creating a duller sense of satisfaction from what you get from your partner. They will never measure up to the fantasy that you've created. If I had more time tonight, I'd go into the other realms of the effects of porn, like the difference in the chemical release that you get from an "amazing fantasy" and what you get from a reality setting. I'd also like to mention the effects of the comparisons your subconscious mind makes between the two, long term addiction, and the effects of the instant gratification of porn vs. the two way street of intimacy.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 12:56 am 
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Yes. I do. Porn is not harmful and you’ve not brought up anything proving WHY it’s harmful, you’re just stating your opinion that you THINK it’s harmful.


I don't have time to watch the videos right now, but this statement stuck out to me. I COMPLETELY disagree with the notion that porn is not harmful. I base this solely from personal experience, but there is plenty of backing that supports what I have to say.


The problem is in the context that she's speaking from. She's talking about a feminist point of view. She's saying it's bad because it's degrading to women. She's not talking about how it affects relationships. She's pretty much a misandristic (the opposite of misogynistic) individual. This is the problem I have with her. She hides her hatred towards men in a convenient package that she labels as "feminism".
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Porn is incredibly harmful. If you are in a relationship with someone, and you masturbate to airbrushed fantasy that the other person cannot ever be, you are creating a duller sense of satisfaction from what you get from your partner. They will never measure up to the fantasy that you've created. If I had more time tonight, I'd go into the other realms of the effects of porn, like the difference in the chemical release that you get from an "amazing fantasy" and what you get from a reality setting. I'd also like to mention the effects of the comparisons your subconscious mind makes between the two, long term addiction, and the effects of the instant gratification of porn vs. the two way street of intimacy.


Sure, it can be harmful if one is in a relationship--but as I said it *CAN* be harmful. There are some couples who watch porn together and learn things from what they see. Not everyone watches porn in the same ways. Porn doesn't always take away from a relationship. In many cases it DOES, but not always. Couples who are open with each other about all things sexual can integrate porn into their relationship without problem. Couples who keep their fantasies to themselves are going to be hurt by porn.

Also, when it comes to people who are single, porn is often the best thing they can get. I think it's less healthy to have a purely sexual relationship with someone (where they don't know how many other sex partners that person has) than to simply get off on porn. In that respect, porn is a healthy thing if it's the difference between having dangerous sex partners and staying at home.

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 Post subject: Re: Anti-Feminists Suck!
PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 8:52 pm 
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Personally I think MEN should be sexualized just as much as women. .



Hey, I'm doing my part to balance the scales, believe me. :hide:


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Hackfest wrote:
Porn is incredibly harmful.


I would amend that statement to say that porn CAN be incredibly harmful. In the hands of (no pun intended) responsible adults, it is no more harmful than violent movies or video games.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 10:31 pm 
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I'd amend it too, except I said it exactly like that to make a point. Here is part of Kizzume's statement that I quoted, and then answered:

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Porn is not harmful
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 Post subject: Re: Anti-Feminists Suck!
PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 10:09 pm 
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I watched all of the videos.
All I can say is damn how stupid TheAmazingAthiest made her look stupid after each reply from him!

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